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Over the past couple of years we at Vancouver Paranormal have received a great many emails-From all over the world these emails have arrived from people like us who are wondering about the mystery. Some of these emails I have decided to post here-Names and obvious references have been removed where I have deemed appropriate and other names will remain as these comments can already be seen in places like our guest books etc.

Some of these emails have made me laugh and some of them have caused me to cry and all of them: stress to me that people from all walks of life...From every country in the world share a similar fascination.

For the sake of brevity not all emails will be published here as many ask questions that are too similar.

People wanting to email me or one of the members on the team can do so by mailing us with comments


I have been trying to compile more of the most common letters into a general Q&A-We get letters from people all over the world who have offered to help us with cash donations (politely declined) and other queries they have of us:

These are the normal things I am asked:

The opinions below may not reflect all the opinions and thoughts of the members of Vancouver Paranormal

Do you believe in psychics? why do you use psychics?

I am a firm believer in using whatever I can get my grubby paws on. The whole concept of a paranormal team is the idea that things can happen out of the "normal parameters"- I do not believe in all psychics and I have an extremely hard time with folks that charge money for their services...I guess I feel that God has gifted them and this gift is given freely and ought to be shared freely. Too many people claim to be psychic and I think those that are gifted are really rare...

We do have people who, I feel, have some abilities in these areas and they would all admit that they are not always right on. However; they are a resource and in collaboration with tech tools (emf meters etc) they can prove to be very valuable.

Do you have a favourite investigation?

I don't want to sound diplomatic as people who have contacted us have all generously shared their homes and experiences with us. All these people need to be acknowledged and sadly I am honour bound to not tell you who these great people are who allow us into their homes and trust us to respect their privacy.

I guess the way I look at it is: Every time we get a call to go out, we have a remarkable chance to explore something that is a mystery. Now whether or not we uncover the mystery is not the big issue-it's that opportunity to perhaps be there when something happens...more than anything else. When things are quiet I am rarely discouraged and in the back of my mind is the hope that the mystery in time will unfold (before I make the journey myself lol). Every person who calls us with an investigation offers our group a gift...the gift is the opportunity to open some sealed doors and see the mystery beyond.

Why don't you charge?

I think it's immoral to charge outright for something such as what we do. I also believe strongly that keeping our services free adds to the credibility of our research. We are looking because we are interested in what might be happening. We will accept donations towards the expenses we pay out-gasoline, film processing, telephone toll charges etc. We carpool to save on costs but they do mount up and it is hard to constantly take money out to do this. We'd only accept cash for the exact amount we have spent and again, we do not insist on this. We also do not insist on new members paying the donation for joining.

What has been the most scary for you?

Carla getting possessed was unexpected and as a result pretty scary (We were in a place we had always felt safe in and let down our collective guard-So if experienced investigators can be careless-Anyone can). I was more annoyed than scared but we did lose two regular members when that happened as it was an intense experience. I was annoyed because after I got over my initial shock and concern for Carla-I thought the spirit was quite rude to jump in uninvited. Incidentally we handled that situation by being firm, polite and respectful to the spirit-I think a combination of our respect and compassion for the spirit and Carla's own tenacity eventually encouraged the spirit to leave.

I have also been made aware after the fact that other members of the team have been extremely freaked from time to time when out on other investigations...At one investigation in Chilliwack, I found out afterwards that Marisa was really spooked when we were checking out an abandoned residence. I have walked into a room and four sensitive people in our group have all almost collapsed and I felt nothing. I think different things "scare" different people...I have only been uncomfy once or twice and annoyed a couple of times :o).

I have been jabbed in the leg and other members have been touched while we have been out on some of our other investigations and I tend to take that all in passing. At a Surrey investigation, Kevin's daughter was bitten on her finger and it drew blood. I think though that the main scary episode was Carla getting possessed as we were not expecting it and the onslaught was very sudden. Incidentally this is probably the number one reason why your team never investigates with less than two members in one location. Carla was right beside us and it happened.

How can I start a team?

I think you need at least one other member who has the same dedication that you might have. I think that's the most important thing. If you have more interest than the other then they are not going to want to apply themselves with the same level of input you want to apply. I think any sized town or small city has enough spooky activity for a group to start.

You need to keep looking for other folks as well...they are out there but not organized-You may be able to collect these people and be the lynchpin. putting up posters, canvassing message boards such as Ghoststudy.com (usually has a section of people looking in particular areas)etc may be helpful. I have even known some folks to take out an ad in a newspaper (although I think that might cost a little more money and I'm not sure it's necessary). Build a website with your town or city name and the words "ghosts or paranormal" in the title and stick yourself in as many search engines you can find. Above all else don't give up, it can be such a rewarding field and you will find new and dear friends as a result.

Lastly and I really think this is really extremely important- try to get members with differing opinions on the paranormal than yours....Nothing makes a person think more than hearing other people's theories...Be brave and allow for differences-You want a paranormal team of Investigators not a bunch of sheep. Everyone sharing the same opinion as you, can make things nice and mellow but also pretty dull...So don't insist that member adopt your beliefs- All members need to do are to follow your established procedures and protocols and leadership (within reason-don't encourage to break laws and do not lead into dangerous situations) but not your mindset. Be willing to hear differences of opinion and respect the diversity.

Who has the best paranormal group?

LOL we do lol....Seriously I honestly feel that everyone that looks for ghosts is doing his or her part to further the collective knowledge of us all. When I am looking for information, I go to websites like TAPS, DC Hauntings, TrueGhosts, Winter Steel, Shadowlands etc, Obiwan's. These are fine resource areas and online paranormal websites. For example, TAPS has a great orb analyse section that is always updating.

Every Tom Dick or Henrietta who seeks the spirits in their own environment adds to the information gene pool and you know if I could list every single group out there I would but it would be a huge operation. The various paranormal groups are probably out stripping any work that mediated science is doing...Simple folks with compasses and cameras are capable of turning the paranormal community upside down-Everyone does something that is worthwhile and interesting to the larger study.

I am not being ms nice person here...I really believe we can learn from everyone. I am the first to admit that the things we have uncovered baffle me (Hey I said it on TV as well)- So best paranormal group? I think as long as they are honest about the data they have, they are all the best.

Can anyone be on a paranormal team?

I think provided you have an honest and sincere interest in the paranormal world then you should look at doing it. I think sceptics and believers can totally enjoy the search together provided there is mutual respect.

I don't think all people though, should be on teams or start teams. People who see it as a lark or a chance to get silly should certainly not make a team or join a team. Going ghost hunting is not daring someone to knock on a door or tearing around a cemetery. I also think ghost hunters are naturally born to do this. They have a long history of being fascinated by ghost stories and paranormal events. It takes a methodical organized brain to do this- someone willing to sit quietly for hours on length-willing to log details and get readings. On the surface so much of a real paranormal team's duties would seem to be quite dull.

What's the hardest thing you do?

Do you mean about actually ghost hunting or do you mean with regards to organization? Since I find the organizational stuff the most stressful-I'd have to say that lol. We are approx 20-25 people (I use approx as about four people are not as involved as others are. Presently I am working on a "Team Evolution Idea" that will create three smaller groups (all of which will still be known as Vancouver Paranormal). The purpose of this is: making the team into smaller groups means more one on one with a team leader, Protocols can be maintained easier, individuals with special abilities or interests and opinions may get noticed more, tighter movement and no crowds. So in the days and months to come, there will be a slight shift in how we go about investigations. Actually it was this question that forced me to finally consider that we were getting too big and we have to stop taking in new members presently.

Are you experts?

I am really glad this question has been asked. I keep meaning to post something on this and then get distracted and forget.

Let me begin by saying that the science of the paranormal is by no means an exact science like chemistry or botany wherein one could be considered by his or her colleagues as an "expert". In these applied sciences things can be calculated, measured, known and understood. Consequently, one who masters these subjects, applies the knowledge and demonstrates its validity could be considered an "expert". However: in the science of the paranormal, it is better related to the theoretical sciences like quantum physics or even metaphysics or any number of other sciences or philosophies that deal with the unknown and are thus poorly understood. It is in this regard, (and particularly so with the paranormal studies) that we can emphatically say "We are not experts". Simply because we don't really know for sure what we're dealing with, but rather, we are trying to find out what we're dealing with.

So no we are not experts and with all due respect to the various groups out there, I don't think there are many experts in this field of study at all. I can't see how someone can be an expert if they have never made the trip and I do mean "The TRIP". My point of view is simply this: the other place does a very good job at keeping its secrets. However; and there is always a "however" maybe the secrets are there to be discovered when one is persistent, patient, compassionate and wanting to learn.

Before I continue though, I do want to make it clear that there are certainly some people who have done a lot of research into a considerable number of hauntings and they have made this information available through books, websites and other venues. While they may not be experts on why an afterlife seems to exist, they have certainly earned my respect with the volumes of work they have provided. You simply cannot do this for twenty odd years or so and not have a wealth of information. We're still very much in the backwoods as far as reaching their levels of research.

The best analogy that I could come up with was stamp collecting...the person who does it as a hobby knows a considerable amount more than the person who simply licks them. The stamp collector reads everything and anything revolving around their area of interest and learns all there is to know. They know what stamps are rare, how many are still around, the value etc. They often pursue their interests with single minded thoroughness. We're the stamp collectors and not the person licking the stamps.

Another reality is: we're nothing more than a (at times) group of people with a real different hobby. For most of us, it started as an interest and a desire to know more. We read all the books and watched all the shows and when the internet came along we went to all the sites. Gradually I suppose watching others do it, write about it etc., became less interesting to us than actually doing this ourselves! We wanted to do this ourselves. Every last person on our group confesses to a lifetime obsession with spooky situations and then finally having that obsession culminate in a passionate desire to be on the paranormal front line.

At first it was just myself and Kevin and the first time we went out I was smoking and it was also raining. We figured out pretty quickly that wasn't so smart. We learned more each time we went out...we learned to respect the "unseen people around us" and developed a more spiritual understanding about what we were trying to do . Over time, incorporating other techniques, adding a few of our own, and always striving to be honest, we started to get photographic images and first-hand visual sightings that were intense.

I think also that our lack of "expertise" keeps us all open minded and perhaps more careful about making presumed spot judgments on any given situation. We are students in this.

We made notes and catalogued various kinds of events and phenomena�s that seemed to happen more and more often. We found that we got more orbs with colours and vibrations when we were talking or laughing. We discovered when we were quieter, the orbs seemed distant and paler. People seemed to suffer more from headaches and other complaints.

We found that "when we talked to the attending spirit community in cemeteries" , we became more relaxed and when we ignored them and just took pictures we found ourselves more uptight and edgy. We also found that asking for permission from the spirits usually upped the activity and we got some intense ecto and apparitional figures. When I think back to the original days when Kevin, Sara, Robyn and I went out to the cemetery in the pouring rain and four years later we have progressed to using control pictures, notepads, emf meters and closed circuit cameras etc. Well, it seems to me that there were different people in the cemetery in those days.

Over the years we have implemented many new tools into our search, enlisted a variety of different people from all walks of life to look with us. We have invited other ghost groups to come and show us how, etc. We read, pore over documents and search the internet. We have meetings to collaborate on what we are discovering, we have socials to strengthen team bonds. We do everything we can to ensure that we are all on the same wavelength in terms of being a responsible, responsive and cohesive unit. We have practiced, perfected and honed our abilities until "ghost hunting" is now done as professional as possible and in fact, has become rather second nature to us. We have had a lot of experiences along the way...sitting in cold basements, exploring older buildings and asking questions, questions and more questions and always cataloguing our findings. Noting the similarities, observing the discrepancies...always wondering why things are the way they seem to be.

The bottom line is: when we do an investigation, it's actually class time for myself and the group. Just one more opportunity to expand on what we "think we know" and maybe one step closer to finally understanding what it is all about. And what does a ghost investigation look like? Well imagine a model plane kit, you follow the plans faithfully and when you're done, one of three things might happen...You have a model with a bunch of pieces left over, you have a partial model and no more pieces are left....orrrrrrr you have a model and a whole pile of pieces left over that seem to belong to a different model altogether. That's kind of what a ghost hunt looks like-I don't think it's possible to get exactly what we see on the cover of the model box. I think if we ever do an investigation where we get every answer and all the pieces to fit then that will be the time to hang up the old ghost hunters hat (see cafe press store for spiffy designs lol ;) ).

We don't have the degrees and diplomas snazzily hanging on the walls but we are certainly dedicated amateurs. We are all experienced and have learned to respect this unseen world. We love it despite the fact that it confounds us and leaves us stooped in deeper mysteries. We have learned to ground ourselves ..and to trust in a higher power. We have learned to ask questions, and to question our data ,and to constantly analyze and examine everything that we encounter. I'll be the first to say (and I've said it many times) that whatever we are finding only serves to confuse us more. Each question we think we might have answered only poses a thousand other questions. It's like unravelling a ball of yarn made with thousands of long threads...each one has to be unwrapped individually and when you finally reach the end of it, there is nothing there in most cases.

Maybe we're experts at being baffled and confused and maybe we're experts with the feelings of awe and wonder...We are merely a group of diverse adults with a desire to try and get to the bottom of things and knowing that will never happen.

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Terry Michell

Toronto, Ontario Canada

1/28/2003

Came by via link and completely enjoyed visit. Can I ask how often you go out or do you just upload over several days? The video and the evp are quite good and also the orbs are very good. Lots of very unusual colors

Tuesday, January 28, 2003 at 03:39:15 (EST)

Hi Terry- We normally go out twice a week. We are very active for sure and each upload is indicative of a night spent out looking around

Tuesday, January 28, 2003 at 21:51:05 (EST)


David OgDen

New York NY

Every time I come here you have updated and added more pictures. Some of the pictures are incredible and I have had you on my favourite bookmarks since January 15 2003 which is the first day I visited. I'd like to start a group similar to yours and wonder is it hard to get it started? How much money in general do you need? How do you get contacts?

David...We see you had some questions. First of all thank you for your kind words. Cost and starting a paranormal group. Well we'd like to say that there is absolutely no cost involved and at face value that is true provided you have some basic equipment to start with. You should have a couple of decent cameras and at least a compass and some home made L rods. Each member should be able to outfit themselves as to not create too much strain on the group dynamic and in the case of car pooling etc...please please reimburse drivers etc. So the costs for the most part are personal. Certainly we see no problem with accepting donations from interested parties but would not personally actively campaign for contributions.

How easy? That's the main problem with most ghost groups...The interest is out there but connecting with each other very difficult. A lot of groups are closed to new members and some charge for membership (we'll accept donations based on equipment costs and car pooling etc but will never insist on it-I want people to have this resource and not be unable to participate because of cash flow) and that can be prohibitive for some people. I managed to get two separate groups operating in Vancouver for vancouver folks...putting up fliers all over Vancouver and telling everyone i know that this was happening and asking them to spread the word...I spoke to other ghost groups (Washington state for example) and asked them to direct any local people contacting them to contact me and worked hard to promote the website here. You also need to always be available to your team when they want to go out...I firmly believe that this takes priority for me over other social events and do all i can to encourage the best from my team by always being available.

We hope this has helped you a little...There are def frustrations...weather...personalities...(don't discount your own personalities lol)...people changing minds regarding: joining, investigations, wanting help and any number of set backs...It can tax you but it sure is rewarding.


Stan F

Dallas

Great website. Keep the pictures coming in.

Hey everyone we or at least I have not been out much lately due to family and other problems but soon infact tonight weather permitting we will be going out so look for some good picks and with any luck vids and evp

March 14th 2003


Trevor Gorns

Baton Rouge LA

The investigation at Gail's is pretty interesting and I am looking forward to the overnight material. Why is "Jer" there? Did he die there or is he visiting familiar space?

July 29th 2003

Hey Trevor we are not sure why he is there all we can say is that he has been deceased for some time. It's most likely they lived there in a house that used to be on the site before the apartment. It would be interesting to check on the history of the land to see what if anything happened there

July 30th 2003


Michele Dubois

Preoria Illinois

yes this is a great site and I really enjoyed the pictures and the thoughts about what ghosts might be. When you go out do you ever get frightened?

December 7th 2003

Hi michele as for you question about being frightened I would say never but never is a long time so it is not a good word to use as of today no i have haven�t been frightened of anything on these investigations, a little uneasy at times there are some areas in the cemeteries and even houses that I do not like or feel uneasy in but scared not as of yet but there is always a first time to everything. I think other guys have been worried a few times.

December 8th 2003


Two emails:

Annie Boo

Vancouver!

My hubby and I were surfing the internet because we just moved into a house across the street from the cemeteries where you shoot. All your photos are very interesting and even inspiring!

Once we moved in to our little house, we decided to take a night stroll in the cemeteries, not expecting to see anything, more like getting acquainted with our new surroundings. This was at around 9pm. There was one part of the cemetery where I could SWEAR someone was behind us, although I just thought it might just be coyotes because when I turned around there was nothing.

THEN I read on your site how there is a lot of activity around the veterans' graves and how there's a part of the cemetery where you can sometimes hear footsteps or feel like you're being followed. That made me feel a bit spooked, but now I'm beginning to understand more about these cemeteries and I plan to do more research on it in my spare time. And I can't wait to get back out there and say hi to the spirits, maybe get a couple orb shots if I'm so lucky.

Thanks for a great site. I'm definitely putting it in my Favourites folder.

November 4th 2003

Annie Boo

Vancouver

Hi again... I was just looking over a few old photos and I came across one of me in Juneau enjoying the rain, with two streaks of light, one fatter than the other. I have no idea what these streaks are. They're not hair cuz my hubby - who took the shot - doesn't have flowing locks, plus one is definitely thick and the other one is like a fineliner and both are transparent around the edges (you can see the bushes behind them). In any case, if I were to send you guys a copy, do you think you would be able to tell if it was paranormal or just a piece of dust? lemme know ... oh yeah, and the streaks show up on the negative too... weird...

November 19th 2003

hi Annie we could look at it but one thing: taking pictures in the rain is something we do not do at least we do not post them if its taken at night and the flash goes off...raindrops can give the appearance of a long streaking light if you wish i can look at it but i will not be able to tell for certain what it is all i can do is eliminate all the natural causes and if i do that and still can not explain what it is we label it unknown that�s the best we can do you can never be 100% sure what it is


February 26th 2004

Marty H

Calgary Alta

I am quite impressed with this website and the activity of Vancouver Paranormal. I have often wondered how teams got together and certainly after watching most haunted and other TV shows impressed with the dedication persons with an interest in the paranormal are. Certainly it isn't always "Poltergeist" movie stuff and I do think that science should be involved at a stricter and deeper level than presently they are. I know certain govt have experimented with forms of paranormal sciences i.e.: esp., telekinesis etc. I take my hat off to you and others like you who do not have the support but do have the patience to try and determine some of the mystery. Do I think the mysteries should be unravelled? I ask this because my wife Helen just prodded me. I think we were given brains and minds and these are tools. We are (maybe this is not a good thing) creatures of curiosity and we are people who must know, compelled to know what lies around the next corner. Our globe has been explored as much as it is possible to do so and still the scientists and explorers are poking into other areas...the ocean, space for example. So I think our nature is inquisitive, I think given our natural inclination to be nosy then this is as it should be. Thanks for allowing me my dissertation and I hope I was not out of line. You have a great website.

(from Jan) thanks Marty, your comments are welcomed and appreciated. I often grapple with the concept of discovery vis-�-vis the paranormal and what that might entail. I suppose I have to believe that it is ok to look after all they certainly seem to make themselves known from time to time. Feel free to pop by, drop in, spend some time and dissertate as much as you like.

February 27th 2004


Sept 20 2004

Jose

btw just out of curiosity, would the first paranormal experience change my life forever? for instance, would i at point in time encounter myself getting woken up every hour?

alright, I�ll ttyl

Hi Jose:

The first paranormal experience? Would it change you? it might-some people do not even realise that they have a paranormal experience. We guess it depends on your belief systems...if someone is totally positive that no ghosts exist and then they see one-they may become a radical believer or they may go further into denial.

Wake up every hour? Why do you think that would happen? Some people certainly have scary experiences but we don't recall any case where someone was woken up every hour because of a life changing paranormal experience...actually what we have discovered is people adapt pretty good to all this new information. We are fairly resilient ya know :o)


Tracey: October 06 2004-

I know this letter will never be answered or anything of the sort, due to the fact that you will probably think it�s not worth answering and since you and your group have never responded to any negative feedback to date but I strongly feel the need to write it.

I would like to know a few things from you.

1) Where do you get off on going to OTHR well known web sites and posting links to your site � Are you that hard up for members that you feel the need to steal them from others? And I am quoting on this one �we ARE Vancouver Paranormal and if you guys want to look for ghosts then come to the website- 3 yrs already! http://www.vancouver paranormal.com why you are wasting your time here? We do it. The name Vancouver Paranormal is registered� unquote. This is from www.meetup.com.

2) Where are you registered? Cause you sure aren�t registered as a business. I know this fact cause I have information officers in city hall � but then again you are probably going to say that you are registered with some other city aren�t you? Or are you just a registered domain?

3) On all of your investigations on your web site you state something then a little further along you take it back. IE �. The core member is asked to donate a one time membership fee of $ 50.00 to the team towards equipment � this fee is non-refundable. The fee is also not mandatory and can be wavered upon request. So which is it? You want the fee but then again you don�t? Same for the second core member and so forth� Little unsure of yourself sounds like it.

4) Most GHOST groups out there when under fire by either sceptics or others will defend themselves but your group never does. Why is that? Do you feel that confident in your abilities to capture ghosts on film and what not that you feel like you shouldn�t have to defend your actions or your pictures to anyone?

5) You say on your web site that you get permission to be in areas after closing even though they are public areas� But where do you post that in your web site? Do you even inform the local police station that you will be in a certain area from this time until this time? I highly doubt it?

6) Do you EVEN do any research into the background of the places you go to, other then taking it directly form other web sites? Do you even know where to do any research? EI � Kevin states in one of your investigations. It would be cool to know the history of the house.. Sounds like yet again you didn�t bother to find out before you went.

7) Noticed that anytime someone goes onto your message board and posts something negative towards anything your group has posted or said.. You not only ban them from your message board but remove their post. Sounds to me like you can�t or will not accept any criticism at all. Guess your group is not up to par on that one yet.

8) When are you going to be original and get your own investigations going instead of well known locations that have been done time and time again?

I know no one will ever see this letter cause heaven forbid someone should � just letting you know that I will be posting this on meet up so I would like a response. And this whole letter wasn�t meant to be nasty at all I just feel this strongly about it and got tired of seeing you pop up everywhere gathering new members and not giving any other group as chance to talk to them. Awaiting your answers.

Tracey
(this response is a little more detailed than the original email answer to Tracey)

(There may be some interesting updates to this email-stay tuned.)

Hi Tracey surprise surprise we do answer all emails

We'll address your points as we can

First of all the meetup-No we are not hard up for members but since the Vancouver meetup people did not seem to be organised and the meetups require a lot of organizing- we are saying if you seriously want to look for ghost hunters (and if you were just sitting around the Meetup boards) and want to do it with as little personal organization as possible-quit hanging around meetup hoping for someone to take the bull by the horns and come and talk to us. The page states that the leadership area is open. Whenever I am there it offers me or one of the others the chance to lead it-See the attached picture. It states that there is no leadership. We don't want to be meetup persons but if we feel we can give these people a chance to look for ghosts-To us that's the nice thing to do. Sue us lol for trying to be nice. It's that simple. We were not aware that you saw it as a place where you recruited from (your comments about giving other ghost groups a chance). Are you the only person then that is allowed to offer this to people?

Screenshot of Meetup page-showing no leadership or organization Apparently we should not extend an invitation to people who appear on the surface of things to be disorganized.

Are you affiliated with any established ghost group aside from Meetup? At one point in time when starting we did invite other members from groups to see if they wanted to join us-This was based on the impression that the boards were inactive. When we discovered otherwise we stopped it in good faith. We have also invited other groups in the locale to assist us (with complete self determination). One group's response was less than friendly although our offer was made in a friendly and respectful gesture. We do not take pleasure in attacking any group either privately or publicly so we will not name this group.

We have registered the domain name- we call ourselves Vancouver Paranormal and that basically covers that. We are not a business-we have no desire to make profit from this. More often we are personally broke from doing this.

Regarding fees: ghost hunting equipment is expensive- it breaks down quickly-we'd also like to have a gasoline slush fund and funds for other personal out of pocket expenses. Most of the people who join us can normally afford to donate towards the group as a whole. Every time we go to help someone-it costs us...The payoff is the experience we get. Like we say on the page-pretty simple-if someone can't afford to donate-we don't insist on it. It is a donation not a fee for membership and will be waived if someone wants us to (that is fairly clear-so we're wondering if you are not just nitpicking here). I think the meaning is clear to most intelligent people.

Any money collected (and so far we have received no money at all from any member, CORE or Associate) for joining-would be channelled directly back into the group so that we can continue to try and help others. We do accept donations from clients to cover telephone call tolls, gasoline and other out of pocket expenses. So far our team has not been paid for any investigation. We have not been reimbursed for anything that we have spent-That doesn't stop us. We have not been paid for any television work that we have participated in. We have been reimbursed for parking and an emf meter bought specifically for the TV special. Also A member from the Bellingham group was reimbursed by a client for her gasoline transportation costs-We were not reimbursed and paid for all trips out there by carpooling and "chipping in".

What exactly do we have to defend ourselves against? Are we under fire? Who is attacking us (aside from you and whomever you represent?)Have we failed in some way? We do everything as morally and as compassionately as we are able-so you have lost me here. Can you give me an example please of where we have come under fire? Name the website? We are actually quite well regarded. When it comes to an all out flame war and spamming the emails with tedious crap-I don't have too much stomach for it-It lacks

spirituality

-and all of our images are taken honestly and we state right at the top main page that we believe them to be spirits NOT that they are. We can waste a lot of time arguing with sceptics and naysayer...What's the point? We are not here to prove anything-We believe that our images could be paranormal in content but we certainly don't expect others too. As far as other groups coming under fire and forced to somehow defend what they do-They have my complete sympathy. They should not come under fire-no one is forced to go to a website about "ghosts". If I wanted to attack websites-I'd find websites that were racist, or "God hates Homosexuals"-I would not bother a bunch of ghost hunters who are doing what they love to do best.

We say we have permission? Where does it say that precisely? (we do have permission but I'd think most people understood that as a given) We are out of most areas just before closing (usually people are still walking their dogs or jogging). We have been told by police and security officers that our presence is often a deterrence.

Members of our team also work at some of the areas we have expressed permission to be in. Homes and other establishments we are in-then yes we are expected and yes we have permission. It's kind of hard to hide ten people or so in a building, who are walking around with EMF meters, Geiger counters and cameras. We certainly do not flaunt breaking the laws and maintain and commit to civic responsibilities-this information can be found on numerous pages and images throughout the website-mainly on the first page-The team in action photograph area would be a good example.

Yes we do research-usually a lot of it-did you check the investigation pages? I have sat at my desk with hundreds of copies of assay records and land deeds. A lot of this cannot be posted as it is private or because I do not have personal permission to post it. There are other investigations we do where the client is not wanting us to make any information known. We do have to respect this.

The background is as intensive as I am able to get and allowed to print (considering a lot of it is residential and people are so transient). I have to also respect the client wishes and absolutely nothing is posted here including our own personal feelings on a matter without the client knowing about it and also approving it. When that is not forthcoming-nothing is posted. Regarding accurate historical information, you'd be surprised just how much is unknown about the land prior to building.

Sometimes the information we acquire is the same or similar to public knowledge-why type the same thing when it is easier to use material and credit the author? If we are able to uncover other salient information we will post it. No, we don�t have a message board-are you sure you are talking to the right person? I am as easy to get along with as the next person-maybe even easier and have never banned anyone ever for anything. We try as much as possible to get into locations that are well known so we can do the investigations and see for ourselves...The bulk of our investigations though are private residences-

As mentioned: The majority of our investigations take place in unknown areas and are primarily residential in nature. I have yet to see any of those investigations on any other website. Since you feel that these are not original can you please direct me to another website that has the Chilliwack investigation, Gail's House, House in Kerrisdale and the Surrey home? We'd be more than interested in what they discovered (from an interested reader point of view-as I think the more information we can get is paramount, don't you?) The more better known locations: Vogue Theatre-part of a CBC special airing on Halloween evening. They arranged the venue not us. Other known areas--we feel the need to check things for our personal knowledge. We do not know why you are offended because we are trying to find the truth for ourselves. Should we just sit back and decide that because a place has been done already we ought to have no interest in it? Seeking answers for ourselves is bad? We thought that was what we paranormal investigators did? Originality? We think we are original enough.

Now if we can add something :o) We think you need to check our website again and show us our message board and where we have banned people. You ought to have at least some proof of your accusations. meetup was the sole place (Aside from the comments on the first answer) and only because it looked as if it was not active-If you are doing that then all the power to you (although I am seriously wondering at this point if you and this other (as unyet named) group see the Meetup as your sole private recruitment area-which is like the pot calling the kettle black, isn't it?)

You also make accusations to our lack of history collecting-It would seem that you have also not done your background work here. We have not ever had a message board or forum. We had a small journal two and a half years ago and removed it as it was inactive. We doubt that anyone was banned from it-it had about four posts in it if I recall correctly-can you tell me please who was banned? Your email is accusatory, inaccurate and quite rude despite your claims to the contrary but that's okay-no hard feelings.

Updated: We stand corrected-we did ban one person from our guestbook. This person posted a rather bizarre message and left a link to a yahoo geocities website-When I went to the website I discovered that the author had some strange and peculiar rants about belonging to a secret service organization and he advocated tracking regular citizens and killing them. The website was reported to Yahoo and closed down. This is also the reason incidentally why all our pictures are labelled with first names only. We think you'll agree banning in this case was appropriate.

Thanks for your email and be safe

Vancouver Paranormal Team


David Strains October 19 2004

Burnaby BC

Great website! My wife Dorleen and I have been coming here for about a year and are interested in vortex. What do you suppose they are?

PS. Why don't you name the other site that sent you that rude email?

Hi David and Dorleen

We don't think anyone really knows what a vortex is or are. The theories range from it being a spirit related to the people who may be in a picture (vortex seem to be in a lot of pics with birthdays, weddings and Christmas parties etc). They also seem to be very out there in terms of front and centre (compare the vortex to the elusive shadow). Other thoughts and theories include vortex being some kind of portal or opening (entrance) between dimensions, or even simply just another form of spirit manifestation. We haven't taken a lot of vortex pictures but the ones we have are pretty cool.

Re: the above letter. People are entitled to their opinion no matter how much their opinion may offend us or be totally off the mark. We decided not to name the site because: just because one person is petty and nasty doesn't mean that we have to play that game too. Thanks for the email

VP


J. Alwood Oct 24 2004

Vancouver BC

I enjoy your site and I think that despite the claims from Tracey (I'd chalk it up to jealousy if I were you) that Vancouver Paranormal is a great original website! I am very impressed with the new groups that are beginning here in BC.
Hi Ms Alwood

and thanks for your email-We do have some great websites that are showing a lot of promise. Rob and Jeremy are really making some progress on the island with some interesting investigations- check our links to access these two terrific sites and Anna and Josh from Burnaby are also up and coming. They have been working on some ghost hunting video stuff which I am excited to see. Thanks for your support

VP.


Sandra C Oct 23 2004 (from guestbook)

Aldergrove British Columbia

Hello good site, will be back for sure. It's about time to see a site like this in the lower mainland Have been interested in the paranormal since I was very young (after seeing activities of the unexplained and home hauntings. It's almost like I'm a magnet for this kind of life because no matter where I live or go it seems to find me (other family members to).Off 1 hand I could list 5 haunted houses alone in B.C. and 2 in Alberta, that I personally witnessed and lived in. Now I don't know if that is a good thing or bad thing.

Would love to join you web site.

Bye, good work

Hi Sandra

We are always on the look out for people who want to dedicate themselves to the pursuit of spirits. We do have a membership page with some of our guidelines listed.

Thanks for your kind comments

VP


Ronnie Swalwell

Port Coquitlam BC November 14 2004

Hi Vancouver Paranormal Love the site! Do you find it is hard to prove that there are ghosts? It's pretty astounding that while so many people believe that also people are so sceptical and keep the doors ajar in terms of not readily accepting. How do you feel about the arguments?
Hi Ronnie

proof or purpose

Please bear in mind that none of us on the team feel we are experts-So with that in mind, this is our answer: When we think about "proving" the possibility of a paranormal existence it doesn't really have a lot of appeal to us-We as a team, personally have a hard time with the idea that we die and it's over...Tout fini...all she wrote. It's not because we fear death but because most of us feel we are on a journey and maybe just a segment or a phase of this journey applies to the time we have in these bodies. That's our general belief-we probably share it or similar thoughts with millions of other people. Are we willing to argue our theory? No, not at all. We see no value in waging the same argument that has been waged for countless centuries.

Too many people are willing to argue and as a result I feel (and possibly the other members of our group, as well) that; to argue always about whether or not an image is paranormal becomes too draining. I could show fifty people an image and the results could be that twenty-five thought it paranormal and the other half felt it was inconclusive or not paranormal...It wouldn't matter how many came in on the side of "ghosts"-forty/ten, twenty/thirty, forty-nine/one. You are never going to be able to get a total 100% agreement on any thing out there. I feel that we do what we can for our needs (in terms of satisfying our own personal desire to know) and we share them with people who are interested in the paranormal and while we know we have folks who like our website, we also know that they don't always agree on something posted. We respect their opinion. Posting images is asking for opinions we suppose, so we really don't get too bent out of shape. This all wraps into the way we feel about proof...we don't know that there is a way to prove the possibility of a spiritual world that occasionally visits us or we blunder into. We feel there could be such a place and we are also waiting on that one clear moment when things all fall into place. All the cold spots, the streaking orbs caught on Kevin's night shot. Strange disembodied voices and swinging light fixtures...while tantalizing are not proof positive; certainly these are possibly/probably not normal and hence paranormal but are they indicative of spiritual attendance?

Sure we have seen pictures, taken them ourselves...We believe that members of our group have taken some extraordinary images. We have seen other great pictures and heard evp on other websites. When we look at the images we have caught...We want to believe and still in the back of our minds is the question: Did we follow all protocols? Were we being careful? could this not be something else that could be explained if we thought about it further? We'll turn a picture literally inside out to see if we can spot why we see an image. We post things we're not sure about although we're sure about the conditions the picture was taken under. Unfortunately we have picked an interest that is going to be demanding the "proof of the pudding" all the time...There is no getting around that fact. Every time I tell someone I believe in ghosts or the idea of them, I am either agreed with or argued with...never a debate it seems, just argument.

You have to look at the dynamics of a ghost hunting team. First of all-every member wants to know for sure for their own reasons. They come into a group with some established beliefs in place and they use to the group to try and determine if there is something out there existing beyond our realm-to maybe either prove or disprove their personal beliefs. So, on the surface of things...it doesn't make a lot of sense for these people to manufacture "proof"- they are as sceptical as the next and they want to know what is happening-they just want to be more pro active about their need. They are exactly like everyone else out there who need to know.

Secondly, every ghost team worth its salt is going to be following the protocols and doing everything in their power to maintain standards (which do eliminate a lot of error in photographs and evp)-It's not foolproof but it does go along way towards some kind of validation when it comes to the data collected.

Last, I think it does come down to a personal belief system...some people are going to believe and some won't. No matter what we do in the way of presentation and protocol. There will be people who dismiss outright and those (like us) who are wondering and speculating about the mystery. That won't change and arguing with folks isn't going to affect it...so why waste the energy?


December 25 2004-Glen from EndlessRoads@aol.com wrote:

Ghost Hunters

Just stopping to say HELLO!

I browse ghost websites now and then.

I never miss a chance to stop by yours.

Essence

Thank you Glen

That's very nice of you. We are glad you are enjoying our website and we will be posting some new pictures in the next day or so-some of our members at a Christmas social and then a few ghost hunting pictures taken afterwards.

Again thank you for your email.

On behalf of us all please have Happy Holidays and a terrific New Year 2005

All the best, VP

Vancouver Paranormal


The site looks great. I love the member collage. Here are your awards (Awards Received) of which you are very deserving. Please link them back to TAPS.

Thanks guys, and let's make sure we work closely together.

My email and phone number on the website if you should ever need them Congrats and good luck,

Grant Wilson

TAPS Co-Founder

The-Atlantic-Paranormal-Society.com
Certain groups out there have indeed earned our respect for diligence and perseverance in trying to determine-the who, what, where, and why of paranormal experiences. We are selective with our alliances. It is with pride and honour that we are affiliated with TAPS and the work the TAPS family provide.


Vancouver Paranormal!

You guys have a great site. I love ALL the stuff you guys have. Very informative, very educational.

Please accept our award (Awards Received)

Sincerely,

Ellie

Ellie Quigley - Founder

ESPI Website

Ellie's site is a great collection of paranormal data and tidbits. Take some time and please check it out. Her fake pics alone are well worth the "price" of admission.


Hi Vancouver Paranormal

I just wanted to send you this short letter to inform you that Ghostlabs Uk had chosen your site as Site of the Month January 2004. Keep up the great work

Founder. Dave Tierney

Ghostlabs UK

All we can say is thank you very very much. This is the first time we have been honoured in such a fashion and it really means a lot to us.


Hi! I just checked out your site, and am impressed. You guys have put some hard work into investigations. Thank you for your words about our site! Feel free to visit it anytime! Good luck in all your endeavours! Becky NAGHS

We were honoured to receive the fine award from the good people of NAGHS. People looking for quality should definitely visit their site.


Great site!

Christina

Sanford, Maine, USA

Southern Maine Paranormal Society


Thank you Christina-I hope to see more of your site in the years to come. You are off to a terrific start.


Question: Do the Vancouver Paranormal team use Psychic Investigators In Their Ghost Hunting Efforts?

Yes we do but we do not rely completely on these people. They are part of a team. The Vancouver Paranormal team is an organization that was formed in order to gather Physical Evidence of Ghosts and Hauntings. We have a lot of people write to us and say that they are psychic, or that they are empathic, or that they have "Spirit Guides" that can talk to them from beyond and give them information from another plane of existence. These people are all interested in joining the Vancouver Paranormal team, and in putting their "Special" skills to work for us. We write back to these people and, as kindly as possible, inform them that the Vancouver Paranormal team do not believe in, support, nor endorse "Psychic's as the sole means for searching for the paranormal.." The reason for this is simple to explain.

Since the beginning of Mankind, people have claimed that certain people possess certain powers. For hundreds, if not thousands, of years people have been trying to prove this. In all that time, not a single piece of PHYSICAL evidence has been produced to support the claim. Therein lies the problem. In gathering physical evidence of ghosts and hauntings, psychic evidence means nothing. Furthermore; If we were to use psychic investigators we would first have to do two things, One: Prove the existence of "Psychic Powers" (Something no one has yet to accomplish) Two: We would have to prove that the person giving the "Psychic Evidence" possessed psychic powers. The Vancouver Paranormal team does not exist in order to prove the existence of psychic powers, honestly, we take no interest in the subject at all. We will however use psychics along with other data collecting materials. We will use psychics in control settings.

Generally like I said above, We'll use whatever we can get our grubby hands on. We want to be able to explore as many options that present themselves to us. We do though try to concentrate more on "Scientific methods" over anything else.


Question: If I have a haunting in my home and I have an investigation conducted, is there any chance that the investigation will make the haunting worse?

Answer: Generally no although some activity might pick up and when we say generally we mean that it is unlikely but one never really knows. We have had residents inform us that after an investigation their home might be nosier or "colder" but so far nothing that would indicate danger or a worsening of the condition. We try as much as possible to not be a disruptive influence>An experienced investigator knows to approach an investigation as a Passive Observer. Done with care the entity in your home (or place of business) won't know an investigation from a visiting group of friends. The Vancouver Paranormal team is especially concerned with this. We take great care to be certain that we don't add to the problem.


May 30 2005-Lisa wrote:

Hi,

I live in the lower mainland and also have an interest in the paranormal. For several years I've considered joining a group in the interests of investigating this really interesting experience/phenomenon. Could you tell me more about your group? Do you get together once in a while - and what typically goes on? Is your group open to new "members"?

I was also wondering if anyone in your investigative group has ever received "bad press" or reputation tarnishing from the public through affiliation.

Much thanks, Lisa

Hi Lisa

we are always interested in new members if they are dedicated to the research of the paranormal-we are so busy at times that casually interested people would probably find it too demanding. We're also not a society but a group of interested people.

We get together usually weekly for some kind event or another either an investigation or a social-lately we have been handling almost two investigations a week.

Re: your bad press comment-I do not understand what you mean but if you mean have we ever got into trouble or hassles with someone then the answer is no-some people may have a problem with us per say but we don't have a problem with anyone out there.

Thanks VP

PS: your Shaw email came back to us three times as an illegal address-twice from our yahoo and once from our Shaw account so you may want to look into that.


Hi I like your site fairly easy to get through, unlike some where get lost, which is surreal as you are still sitting in the place drinking a cup of tea and a little fondant fancy. But anyway, cool sight, why not check mine out visit Ghost Hunters Extraordinaire we have a large bag of footage, be prepared.

Best Wishes

Lou
Hey Lou thanks so much for the kind words...Your site is very nice and I hope our visitors go by and check it out :) Best to you-Van Para


Hi Vancouver Paranormal:

I just wanted to drop you all a line and thank you so much for assisting us to get to the root of our problem. Since your visits, certain annoying activities have stopped or lessened to such a degree that they are unremarkable. I found your calm presence totally reassuring and my wife Katie and both kids have relaxed considerably. We are very appreciative. The members of your support team overwhelmed us all with their compassion and empathy and we felt like we were not alone and relieved that no one thought us "crazy". Micheal, Katie, Bri and Jenny
Dear Micheal

from all of us...thank you. VanPara


October 30 2006-Hi Everyone!

I was at the Pitt Meadows Museum and really enjoyed the "Meet the Ghost hunters Evening". It was very interesting and my husband and I appreciated your honest forthright attitudes when it came to admitting that there is so much we do not know. What a breath of fresh air to hear that when one is inundated with information daily from so called experts. Your theories made a lot of sense and you and your eager team were a pleasure to meet.

Mike and Yvette Loewen Pitt Meadows
Dear Mike and Yvette

We too enjoyed ourselves and would love to do it again. Hope to see you next time!


April 16 2007

Thank you for your recent visit. Things seem to have quietened down considerably and we are finding it easier to deal with getting the kids settled. No more bad dreams. Thanks again for all your assistance.

Sincerely,

Donald K and family (Langley BC)



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